Tank issues??

Discussion in 'General Reef Discussion' started by LJC6780, May 23, 2017.

  1. LJC6780

    LJC6780 Grouper

    so I've been gazing at my tank a lot lately and THINK I see a problem with my clownfish and coral beauty. As it's hard to get good pics, I took a video so hopefully you can see what I'm seeing. Neither wanted to really cooperate so the video is long but hopefully you will enjoy the view.

    I'd also like for you to point out any issues or potential issues you see in the videos. I know there is some sort of hair algae (possibly maiden's hair) on the front rock. It's a rock from the other tank. It hasn't grown or spread since being moved to this tank.

    Also, you may not see as much flow as is necessary and that is because my gyre has been making a crazy grinding noise. I've taken it completely apart and cleaned it but need to double check that I have it put back together correctly. It's currently off so I don't tear it up (any more). I'll be moving another power head over if I can't get it working in a while.

    Ok. Clownfish. I see a possible white speck on the left fin and a raised bump on the rear right side between the 2nd and 3rd stripes.

    Coral beauty. I saw a possible white speck along the crevice of where the top fin meets the side. Right in the middle of the back on the right side. Also I think I see some sort of white or cloudiness on the left side of the mouth. I don't see anything physically there except for a lighter color.

    Also, the orange mixed acan.. there was another one right next to it and last night I noticed some sort of white film covering most of it. I immediately removed it to quarantine. This morning most of the flesh was eaten away. I dipped in furan 2 and squirted away as much as I could. I will be performing roughly a 50% water change in a little bit. Not sure if I should do anything to the DT to prevent spread. I have looked everything over and the only thing I can see that looks out of the ordinary is the Duncan has a dark spot on it. The one to the right of the spot also has a dark spot but it is on the stalk part and you can't see it with the head in the way. Doesn't seem like anything on it but more of a discoloration. Everything else seems as usual to me.

    Here are some pics and videos so hopefully you can see the issues in talking about.
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  2. franklypre

    franklypre Plankton

    I don't see any videos, typically stress is the major reason for disease in most cases. I'd call the folks at coralvue or create an account at http://coralvue.com/support/465093-Maxspect-Gyre and work through the processes, they are really good about helping out in my experience. As far as the tank WCs are the best suggestion though I typically do smaller more frequent water changes as not to swing parameters and further stress the fish/coral. That said I've done large water changes in emergencies and had success so long as the temp is spot on with the tank water.
     
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  3. LJC6780

    LJC6780 Grouper

    I'm trying to upload it to YouTube now but it's taking forever.

    My temp is spot on. Usually stays within a half degree. I do weekly water changes (about 5.5 gallons on roughly 100 gallon water volume, should I be changing more?) and change Filter Socks mid week and with water changes. I have an auto top off with about a 10 gallon reservoir so SG doesn't fluctuate much. I have gotten 3 new fish but they are still in quarantine so they wouldn't have caused stress. These fish have been together for years and other than the clown "protecting" her hammer (which consists of her swimming out if a fish gets too close), I've seen no aggression between any of them. The only changes have been trying to adjust the lighting and get it on a good color and schedule, but nothing major, and I've been slowly moving over all of the corals. My zoas still look sketchy so they are still in quarantine. The biggest thing that has changed the last couple days is the gyre being intermittent or off. Could lack of the same flow be the cause?!
     
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  4. franklypre

    franklypre Plankton

    flow rarely bothers fish, though it can alter the O2 and PH if surface agitation is low. I do 10% WCs typically twice a month, though weekly WCs are great. It could very well be nutrient spikes from adding fish, sounds like it's a newer system
     
  5. LJC6780

    LJC6780 Grouper

    I haven't added any fish. They are still in quarantine. It was an established system that I bought. I have a tank thread if you want the whole story. ;)
     
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  6. franklypre

    franklypre Plankton

    even an established system will go through a cycle when restarted or moved, hopefully the WCs will line it out
     
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  7. Deton8it

    Deton8it President Staff Member

    The dark spot on the Duncan is a Red Planaria.
     
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  8. Tank issues can be sooooo difficult to diagnose. Water changes can be helpful for various reasons, but not necessary for overall tank health.

    Videos may be helpful.

    Are you thinking ich or fungus?
     
  9. huntindoc

    huntindoc RRMAS BOD Membership Director Staff Member

    The spot on the clown looks like a skin abrasion to me. I agree with John on the planaria.
     
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  10. LJC6780

    LJC6780 Grouper

    Sorry. I took some videos but for whatever reason it kept failing to upload to YouTube. The spot on the clown almost seems like an injury or inflamed scale or something. The spot I kept thinking I was seeing on the fin I can't see in the video so I'm not certain on that. For the CBA my first thought was fungus but it really just seems like the lip is bleached out or something. There is no fluff or fuzz or anything stringy. And it's just the left side of the mouth. Could it just be weird lighting?

    I did feed them some garlic guard soaked brine shrimp for dinner tonight so hopefully that will at the very least help their immune systems fight off whatever may be going on.

    Also, I found this on a monti frag in the QT.
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    The pic is super hard to see but I think it might have been a nudibranch. :mad: And I'm not sure where it came from unless it survived being dipped. I redipped all of the frags but put them back in the QT tank. So I'm not sure how much it helped but I did squirt a lot of stuff off of everything. Poor little pods. :( I also did about a 50% water change on that tank too. What would be the best plan of action for the QT? Dip again and transfer everything to a different tank with fresh water? Then clean the other tank? I am using a 10 gallon at the moment but have an empty 20 I can set up if necessary.

    Also, should I dip the duncans to remove the planaria? I read it's on the "watch them" list. But their diet is coral algae so I don't want them to start snacking!

    I dip my coral!! Where could all of this have come from all of the sudden?! I also haven't added any new coral in a while (since frag fest) and haven't added any new fish to the DT. o_O

    I'm stumped.
     
  11. franklypre

    franklypre Plankton

    yeah that's a monti eating nudi, remove all of them you can and do some serious research into them.
     
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  12. Deton8it

    Deton8it President Staff Member

    Monti Nudis, Zoa Nudis, a bunch of critters can live through dip. Especially eggs. The scary thing is eggs can come in on anything to include water from the LFS if you bought a fish. Literally anywhere.
     
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  13. LJC6780

    LJC6780 Grouper

    Ugh! I found two in a monti in the DT today! I sucked one out but dropped the other one. :( Other than dipping and manual removal, is there a critter that will eat them? Most of my corals are just sitting on the rocks but a few are actually attached so it would be extremely hard to remove the rock and dip. Unless I filled a 5 gallon bucket. Also, does dipping an entire rock kill off my bacteria too?

    What is my best plan of action here?
     
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  14. Deton8it

    Deton8it President Staff Member

    A bunch of wrasse species will eat them especially the smaller wrasse species like 6Line or Possum Wrasses. I think some may eat those red planaria flatworms
     
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  15. I've been through monti eating nudis twice, abbreviated MEN, LOL!

    You've got two options. The first is to pull out all montis from display, throw them in trash, wait out life cycle of eggs and adults. Then place back montis.

    The second, pull out all montis from display, remove from rock or plug, dip, then place in QT. You cannot simply kill the adults, you have to find the eggs and scrape them off. If the coral is mounted it provides too many cracks and crevices for eggs to hide. All montis will be targeted, not just the cap. ALL of them will be devoured. If all you have are caps, chunk them! Caps are too easy to come by and cheap. Neither my Coris or sixline took care of the nudis. The reason is they feed mostly at night when your wrasses is sleeping.

    Dip weekly if you go the QT route. And inspect for eggs before each dip. I would QT at least 8 weeks. Honestly not worth the effort for caps.

    Performing a WC does nothing.
     
  16. LJC6780

    LJC6780 Grouper

    I have a 6 line wrasse that I see pecking at the rocks but I must be over feeding it lately because all of he sudden I'm seeing these pests!

    When I was talking about changing water for the qt I meant that I dipped them and put back in the same water. So maybe I could set up new tank, dip and place in new tank, clean old tank, rinse repeat. Just to keep any nasty stuff that could be in the old tank or frag rack from being transferred after the dip. Whatever it is. I'm still trying to get rid of what I think is zoa pox on a few select frags. This may be a waste of time but it'll make me feel better! Lol
     
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  17. Just use a measuring cup or something similar. Fill partially with tank water. Swish the frag after dip. Don't make it too complicated.
     
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  18. LJC6780

    LJC6780 Grouper

    Complicated seems to be my middle name lately! Lol
     
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  19. This hobby is easy to go over board. Everybody has an opinion and different way. Just think things through and ask why?

    The longer I do this the more simple I try and make things.
     
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  20. Deton8it

    Deton8it President Staff Member

    I'm out right now but when I get home I will try to explain my dip routine.

    For what it's worth, pests happen. You can buy corals from the best vendors in the world and still get them. BRS got Nudis a little while back. You got me nervous now though. I have way too many Montipora colonies for me to be able to battle them. My only option would be to frag them all and save as much as I can and set up a monti only tank while I wait a year for them to all die off.
     
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